Hey folks, solid thread starter-love seeing actual GPS numbers instead of butt-dyno guesses. I’ve run a Yamaha 25 on a couple small rigs over the years (older 25MLHU 2-stroke and now an F25), mostly on 14-16ft aluminum jons for fishing potholes and reservoirs here in Colorado. Claims of 30+ are usually unicorns: bone-stock 12ft prams with 150lb kids or propped way down for drag racing. Realistic? 22-28mph solo/light on a 15-16ft utility, dropping 3-5mph with two adults + gear. Heavier loads or chop kill it quick.
Quick hits on your Qs from my setups:
- Top speeds: 14ft semi-V (like my old Grumman) solo/light 24-26mph; two guys + cooler/rods 20-22mph. 16ft flat jon pushes 27-29 solo, 23-25 loaded.
- WOT RPM: Target 5500-6000 on both 2S and F25 (per Yamaha specs). Undercooked props (too much pitch) bog at 4800-5200 and lose 2-4mph; overpropped ventilates.
- Height/trim/prop swaps: Moving up 1-2 holes gained me 1-2mph on the jon but needed more down trim to kill porpoise. No jackplate, but 4″ setback helped turn radius. Alum to SS prop (same pitch) = +1-1.5mph, but SS grips better in slop. Trim way up at WOT for speed, but watch ventilation.
- Cupped props: Big yes-helps hold plane/trim on small motors without porpoising, minimal speed hit (maybe 0.5mph). Essential on flat jons.
- Hydrofoil/smart tabs: DOEL-Fin or similar added 1mph top (better efficiency) but shone on hole shot (+planing threshold down 200-300rpm) and stability with passengers. Worth $30.
- Altitude: At 5000-9000ft here, figure 10-15% loss vs sea level (3%/1000ft rule of thumb). My F25 at 8500ft hits same RPM but 2-3mph slower than Denver tests.
My numbers (two setups for comparison-both GPS via Lowrance Hook):
Setup 1
- Boat: Grumman 1471 semi-V / 14.5ft
- Weight: 350lb boat + 25hp + solo 180lb me/light gear = 600lb
- Engine: Yamaha 25MLHU 2-stroke / 2005 / tiller
- Gear ratio: 2.00:1
- Prop: Solas alum / 10-⅛″ dia x 10.5″ pitch / 2-cup
- Height: Stock transom hole (no jack)
- WOT: 5800rpm / 25.8mph GPS
- Elev: 5200ft / solo or 1+gear
- Notes: Solid hole shot, slight porpoise until cupped prop. Great torque for pushing decoys.
Setup 2 (current daily)
- Boat: Lowe L1648M flat jon / 16ft
- Weight: 450lb boat + F25 + solo/light = 800lb; two adults + cooler = 1100lb
- Engine: Yamaha F25SMHA 4-stroke / 2018 / tiller
- Gear ratio: 2.08:1
- Prop: Michigan Wheel Vortex SS / 10-⅜″ dia x 11″ pitch / 3-cup
- Height: 1 hole up + 3″ setback board
- WOT: 5900rpm / 28.2mph solo; 24.1mph loaded GPS
- Elev: 8500ft / 1-2 people + fishing kit
- Notes: No chine walk, zero ventilation at WOT trimmed up. Hydrofoil on lower unit tamed bow rise. SS prop quieter, +1.5mph over stock alum 10.5″.
2-strokes edge out 4-strokes by 1mph top-end but thirstier and louder-F25 more torquey low-end for loads. Y’all running EFI F25s getting better than this? Post pics of your setups/prop stamps if you’re claiming 30+. What’s everyone seeing prop life on these little mills-mine eat rubber every 2 seasons in sandy ramps.
Safe rigging, OP-get it on the water dialed before chasing ghosts. What’s your hull candidate?